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		<title>Interesting commentary on the US District Court ruling on DOMA</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Defense of Marriage Act, passed by the US Congress in 1996, defines marriage as being solely between &#8220;a man and a woman&#8221;. Judge Joseph Tauro of the US District Court of Massachusetts just issued a ruling striking down the DOMA as unconstitutional. In so doing, he apparently stated that DOMA marks the first time [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Defense of Marriage Act, passed by the US Congress in 1996, defines marriage as being solely between &#8220;a man and a woman&#8221;. Judge Joseph Tauro of the US District Court of Massachusetts just issued a ruling <a href="https://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2010/07/08/AR2010070806107.html">striking down the DOMA as unconstitutional</a>. In so doing, he apparently stated that</p>
<blockquote><p>DOMA marks the first time that the federal government has ever attempted  to legislatively mandate a uniform federal definition of marriage – or  any other core concept of domestic relations, for that matter.</p></blockquote>
<p>Charles Lane, over at the Post Partisan blog of the Washington Post, <a href="http://voices.washingtonpost.com/postpartisan/2010/07/judge_tauros_questionable_past.html">responds by saying, in effect, &#8220;Uh, no.&#8221;</a></p>
<blockquote><p>During the 1856 presidential campaign, the Republican Party platform  had accused the Democrats of countenancing “those twin relics of  barbarism&#8211;polygamy and slavery” and declared it the &#8220;duty of Congress  to prohibit” both evils in the territories. Buchanan’s expedition was  intended to prove the Republicans wrong. It succeeded only in provoking a  few inconsequential clashes between armed Mormons and U.S. soldiers.</p>
<p>Congress subsequently adopted three increasingly harsh criminal bans  on bigamy and polygamy in the territories: in 1862, 1882 and 1887. The  Supreme Court <a href="http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=us&amp;vol=98&amp;invol=145">upheld</a> <a href="http://supreme.justia.com/us/136/1/case.html">these laws</a> repeatedly against Mormon challenges alleging, among other things, that  they violated religious liberty. The 1887 law, the Edmunds-Tucker Act,  abrogated the Mormon Church’s corporate charter and confiscated its  property, on the grounds that its leaders encouraged polygamy.</p>
<p>The Supreme Court said that was okay, too. Echoing the majority  opinion of the day, the court recoiled in frank horror at a practice the  Mormons believed was ordained by God &#8212; but which the justices  considered a “crime against the laws and abhorrent to the sentiments and  feelings of the civilized world.” They compared it to human sacrifice. . . .</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>So it is a bit misleading to say, as Tauro does, “every [historical]  effort to establish a national definition of marriage met failure.”  Washington’s triumph over Mormon polygamy, made permanent in a national  statute, would seem to qualify as a federal definition of marriage, at  least in the sense of what marriage is not.</p>
<p>To be sure, Tauro emphasizes that the <em>states</em> have always had  exclusive authority over marriage. Utah was a territory at the time of  Washington’s effort to stamp out polygamy, and the constitution gave the  federal government paramount authority over territories, including  their domestic legislation. (That is why, technically, the anti-polygamy  laws aimed at Utah also applied to Arizona, Oklahoma, Alaska and the  District of Columbia.) Congress functioned, in effect, as the  super-legislature for each territory.</p>
<p>Yet what is noteworthy about the Utah case is that Congress leveraged  its power over Utah the territory into power over Utah the state. As a  condition of admission to the Union, Utah’s people gave Congress a  permanent veto over their marriage laws – a veto that remains on the  books to this day. The fact that today’s Mormons are proponents of  heterosexual monogamy and opponents of same-sex monogamy, is deeply  ironic, but legally irrelevant.</p>
<p>What’s more, Utah is not the only state in which this situation  obtains. The language of the Utah Enabling Act was repeated,  word-for-word, in the laws that admitted New Mexico, Arizona and  Oklahoma as states in the early 20th Century. In short, the federal  government has shared authority over the marriage laws of four U.S.  states.</p></blockquote>
<p>Now, I have long been amused by those who state that efforts to allow gay marriage would have no impact on efforts to allow plural marriage. It has always struck me that any successful legal argument allowing gay marriage would have to, of necessity, allow plural marriage &#8212; I have yet to see a convincing argument to the contrary, particularly since plural marriage has a much deeper and broader history worldwide (including current active practice, particularly in Islamic and African cultures) than gay marriage does.</p>
<p>If Judge Tauro&#8217;s ruling is upheld, it would be interesting to see whether legal challenges to the Federally-mandated Arizona laws might arise from one of the polygamous religious groups therein (Arizona being, in my opinion, the most likely candidate for such an effort). Since Judge Tauro&#8217;s ruling does indicate that states can define marriage on their own, such an effort could be quickly ended by a <em>de novo</em> state law banning plural marriage (and for all I know, such a law already exists). But we continue to live in interesting times.  ..bruce..</p>
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		<title>Think twice, speak once (if at all)</title>
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		<pubDate>Wed, 28 Oct 2009 16:47:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Our youngest daughter, Salem (almost 24), moved back in with us a few months ago, due to problems with her roommates in the house she shared with others. She&#8217;s a delight &#8212; low maintenance and fun to have around &#8212; so we&#8217;ve been happy to have her back. She&#8217;s the manager of a nearby Hot [...]]]></description>
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<p>Our youngest daughter, Salem (almost 24), moved back in with us a few months ago, due to problems with her roommates in the house she shared with others. She&#8217;s a delight &#8212; low maintenance and fun to have around &#8212; so we&#8217;ve been happy to have her back. She&#8217;s the manager of a nearby Hot Topic store, has a boyfriend and an active social life, so it&#8217;s not like we even see her all that often.</p>
<p>Something over a week ago, however, a box of peach-flavored green tea showed up in our pantry. Some of our kids (including Salem) are inactive, and we&#8217;ve made it clear that while their choices are their choices, we&#8217;d appreciate it if they didn&#8217;t bring some of those choices into our home. They&#8217;ve been very good about that, so I was surprised to see the box of tea appear.</p>
<p>A few days passed as I debated whether to bring the issue up and, if so, how. I left on a short business trip to New York without having made a decision. I got back very late Friday night and crashed when I got home, dealing with a worsening cough that I picked up on the trip.</p>
<p>Saturday, there were a few critical things I need to pick up at the store, so my wife Sandra and I ran out together. As we were driving along, Sandra was filling me in on the past few days, then said, &#8220;You know, I bought what I thought was a box peach tea for myself several days ago, but when I went to make some on Friday, I realized that I had bought peach-flavored green tea. D&#8217;oh! So I threw it out.&#8221; I chuckled and told her about having spotted it and trying to figure out how to bring it up with Salem.</p>
<p>Then I realized: the tea sat in our pantry for a week. Salem, if she saw it, knows <em>she </em>didn&#8217;t buy it and therefore is likely wondering if Sandra and I are drifting a bit ourselves. Great.</p>
<p>So a day or two later, I did talk with Salem &#8212; to tell her the funny story of what Mom did. A nicer talk, all the way around.  ..bruce..</p>
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		<title>The first sin: hiding from God?</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Oct 2009 17:03:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The Anchoress is one of my favorite bloggers, because she manages to mix pointed political commentary with pointed spiritual commentary.  She takes her religion (Catholicism) very personally and very seriously, and I gain insights every time I read her thoughts. Today, she talks a bit about Adam, Eve, and the Fall and puts forth the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/theanchoress/2009/10/19/who-told-you-that-you-were-naked/"><img class="alignnone" title="Passing the blame..." src="http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y125/TheAnchoress/passingbuck-1.jpg" alt="" width="356" height="217" /></a></p>
<p><a href="http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/theanchoress/">The Anchoress</a> is one of my favorite bloggers, because she manages to mix pointed political commentary with pointed spiritual commentary.  She takes her religion (Catholicism) very personally and very seriously, and I gain insights every time I read her thoughts.</p>
<p>Today, she talks a bit about Adam, Eve, and the Fall and <a href="http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/theanchoress/2009/10/19/who-told-you-that-you-were-naked/">puts forth the following observation</a> (emphasis mine):</p>
<blockquote><p>Their awareness of their vulnerability might have led to their excuse-making, too. Until that point they had enjoyed a blissful relationship with the Creator – there would have been no reason to fear and yet, suddenly attuned to their vulnerability, they feared enough to hem and haw and blame anyone else around, and aside from the serpent there was only each other.</p>
<p>Was the first sin, then, simple disobedience? That doesn’t really seem likely. Obedience, like anything else, must be learned.</p>
<p><strong>Rather, I think the first sin was humanity not trusting in God but trying to guard themselves by hiding from him; humans covering themselves up both physically and metaphorically – with fig leaves and with the sloughing off of blame onto others – rather than revealing themselves and taking responsibility for their actions.</strong></p>
<p>The taint of Original Sin: God has been trying to get us to trust Him, to reveal ourselves to Him and to be vulnerable (open) to Him ever since.</p></blockquote>
<p>For those who have been through the temple, this observation carries even more weight in light of who makes the suggestion.  Food for thought; read the whole thing.  ..bruce..</p>
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		<title>The Second Quorum of the Twelve</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[[Note: this is a follow-up to the discussion in the comments to this post some months back.] We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church . . . . &#8211; 6th Article of Faith Yea, behold, I write unto all the ends of the earth; yea, unto you, twelve tribes of [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.lifeongoldplates.com/2007/08/where-are-3-nephites.html"><img class="alignnone size-medium wp-image-620" title="The Nephite Apostles" src="http://adventures-in-mormonism.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/09/324-3_nephites-1-300x225.jpg" alt="The Nephite Apostles" width="300" height="225" /></a></p>
<p>[<em>Note: this is a follow-up to the discussion in the comments to <a href="http://adventures-in-mormonism.com/2009/03/11/futures-of-the-lds-church/">this post</a> some months back</em>.]</p>
<blockquote><p>We believe in the same organization that existed in the Primitive Church . . . .<br />
&#8211; 6th Article of Faith</p></blockquote>
<blockquote><p>Yea, behold, I write unto all the ends of the earth; yea, unto you, twelve tribes of Israel, who shall be judged according to your works by the twelve whom Jesus chose to be his disciples in the land of Jerusalem.  And I write also unto the remnant of this people, who shall also be judged by the twelve whom Jesus chose in this land; and they shall be judged by the other twelve whom Jesus chose in the land of Jerusalem.<br />
&#8211; Mormon 3:18-19</p>
<p>&#8220;[The Book of Mormon] tells us that our Savior made His appearance upon this continent after His resurrection; that He planted the Gospel here in all its fulness, and richness, and power, and blessing; that they had Apostles, Prophets, Pastors, Teachers, and Evangelists, the same order, the same priesthood, the same ordinances, gifts, powers, and blessings, as were enjoyed on the eastern continent . . . &#8221;<br />
&#8211; Joseph Smith (from the Wentworth Letter, 1842; cf. <em>History of the Churc</em>h 4:538).</p></blockquote>
<p>Back during the &#8216;Primitive Church&#8217; era, it appears that there were 24 apostles on the earth, organized into two separate quorums: the Twelve in the Old World (led by Peter) and the Twelve in the New World (led by Nephi<sub>3</sub>). While it is true that the New World Twelve were never specifically called apostles within the Book of Mormon, Joseph Smith referred to them as such, and Joseph Fielding Smith <a href="http://www.ldschurchnews.com/articles/17529/Twelve-were-called-as-Nephite-disciples.html">cautiously agreed</a>.</p>
<p>Mormon&#8217;s comments, cited above, indicate that the New World Twelve were subordinate to the Old World Twelve. In modern-day LDS parlance, we could refer to the Old World Apostles as the First Quorum of the Twelve, and to the New World Apostles as the Second Quorum of the Twelve.</p>
<p>Nowadays, however, we only have the (one) Quorum of the Twelve. Given the 6th Article of Faith, the question comes up: what are the chances of the Church setting up a Second Quorum of the Twelve, as existed in the Primitive Church? And if the Church did so, how would it work, particularly given the tradition of succession in the modern Church?</p>
<p>First, let&#8217;s see why the Church might organize the Second Quorum of the Twelve.</p>
<p>When I joined the Church in 1967, Church membership was around 2.6 million, with about 450 stakes and 4,200 wards and branches. The large majority of that membership was in the Western United States, Western Canada, and northeastern Mexico. Apostles and even First Presidency members would visit stake conferences on a regular basis; I got to shake hands with Pres. Hugh B. Brown and Elder LeGrand Richards as a teenager that way. Back then, each bishop was set apart by an Apostle.</p>
<p>Today, Church membership is approaching 14 million, with 2,800 stakes and nearly 25,000 wards and branches (roughly a 5x growth in all three categories). Over half of the Church membership lives outside of the United States. And we still have just twelve Apostles.</p>
<p>The gap has been filled by the Presidents and Quorums of the Seventy (not to mention stake presidents). They really are the eyes and ears and legs and hands of the Apostles throughout the world. But the collective Seventy still have to feed into just twelve Apostles. I suspect that the members of the Quorum of the Twelve carry tremendous administrative, spiritual, and ministering burdens &#8212; and yet in all that, it is the core of their calling to be special witnesses of Christ.</p>
<p>Imagine, then, how that burden would be lifted if there were a Second Quorum of the Twelve, another set of 12 Apostles among whom to share the load at that level of Church administration.</p>
<p>How might this work?</p>
<p>Let&#8217;s follow the model in the meridian of time and assume that the Second Quorum of the Twelve is subordinate to the First Quorum of the Twelve. Seniority in the Second Quorum would work just like, but be independent of, the seniority in the First Quorum. There would be no automatic succession from the Second Quorum to the First; instead Apostles in the Second Quorum would be put on emeritus status when they reached 70 years of age. However, the Second Quorum would provide a fertile ground for candidates to fill vacancies in the First Quorum upon the death of an Apostle.</p>
<p>In other words, it would work pretty much just like the Presidency of the Seventy works right now. In fact, I could argue that the Presidency of the Seventy fills the function of the Second Quorum of the Twelve, except that there&#8217;s only seven of them and they don&#8217;t have Apostolic authority.</p>
<p>Now, what if that were to change? What if the Church dissolved the Presidency of the Seventy, organized the Second Quorum of the Twelve, and then organized the 9th, 10th, 11th, and 12th Quorums of the Seventy, with an Apostle over each Quorum? Church government and organization is flexible as the times require; I was once a Seventy myself, and was even a President of Seventy (it was a stake position some 25 years ago &#8212; there were seven Presidents of Seventy in each stake). So it wouldn&#8217;t bother me in the least if the Church were to do this kind of reorganization. (I will admit being startled for a second when the Church organized the <em>Eighth</em> Quorum of the Seventy, though I believe a close reading of <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/107/95-96#95">D&amp;C 107:95-96</a> allows that interpretation.)</p>
<p>As an alternative approach, what if the Church left the Presidency and Quorums of the Seventy just as they are now, but called an entirely new Second Quorum of the Twelve? This second Quorum could truly act as a &#8220;<a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/107/33-34,36,38#33">traveling presiding high council</a>&#8221; throughout the Church, going as a quorum, in pairs, or individually to various parts of the world to help strengthen the church. In fact much like Elders Oaks and Holland, members of the Second Quorum could live outside of the United States on a permanent or near-permanent basis, providing resident Apostolic authority throughout the world, while traveling back to Salt Lake on a regular basis to meet with the First Presidency and the First Quorum of the Twelve (though I suspect the Church would use two-way, satellite-based videoconferencing to reduce actual travel).</p>
<p>Given this second approach, I suspect that the Second Quorum would largely comprise Apostles whose native language is something other than English and/or whose native country is outside of the United States and Canada.</p>
<p>This approach would allow Church members throughout the world to hear in person from Apostles speaking their native tongues on a regular basis. At the same time, these worldwide Apostles could work more actively and directly with the governments of the countries over which they preside to help see to the Church&#8217;s interests in those countries.</p>
<p>This approach would, I believe, tremendously strengthen the Church worldwide, especially in those areas (Latin America, Africa, the Philippines) where Church growth frequently outstrips the leadership pool. And for those keeping an eye on the Last Days, it would also ensure Apostolic authority distributed throughout the world in the event of major war and/or natural catastrophes.</p>
<p>Any thoughts?  ..bruce..</p>
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		<title>Early thoughts on &#8220;The Book of Mormon: The Earliest Text&#8221;</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[FedEx showed up about a few hours ago with my pre-ordered copy of Royal Skousen&#8217;s magnum opus, The Book of Mormon: The Earliest Text (Yale University Press, 2009, 848 pages). This volume represents over 20 years of work on Skousen&#8217;s part to produce a critical text edition of the Book of Mormon.  I&#8217;ve been buried [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>FedEx showed up about a few hours ago with my pre-ordered copy of Royal Skousen&#8217;s <em>magnum opus</em>, <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Book-Mormon-Earliest-Text/dp/0300142188/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1251762743&amp;sr=1-1"><strong>The Book of Mormon: The Earliest Text</strong></a> (Yale University Press, 2009, 848 pages). This volume represents over 20 years of work on Skousen&#8217;s part to produce <a href="http://mi.byu.edu/publications/jbms/?vol=15&amp;num=1&amp;id=402&amp;cat_id=409">a critical text edition of the Book of Mormon</a>.  I&#8217;ve been buried in the volume &#8212; starting at the front and working my way through &#8212; since it appeared. Having made it as far as 1 Nephi 10 (First Book of Nephi, chapter III, in the 1830 edition), I thought I&#8217;d come up for air long enough to log a few comments.</p>
<p>First, the physical production of the volume is outstanding (as one would expect from Yale University Press). High quality paper and binding, outstanding layout and typography. The book is large and heavy (as per Amazon, 9.3 x 7.6 x 2.3 inches and 3.6 lbs) but manages to stay open even near the front and back. The heft of the book makes it a bit hard (though not impossible) to read while stretched out on the couch.</p>
<p>Grant Hardy&#8217;s introduction lays out the case for accepting the Book of Mormon as a serious work worthy of study in the context of world religions &#8212; all the more so because we have so much definite historical and even forensic information regarding its creation and transmission (cf. Terryl Givens&#8217; <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Hand-Mormon-American-Scripture-Launched/dp/0195168887/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1251763864&amp;sr=1-4"><strong>By the Hand of Mormon</strong></a>).</p>
<p>Skousen&#8217;s editorial preface in turn provides a brief overview of his methodology in producing the critical text, laying out his overall approach as well as some of his criteria in making critical text decisions. However, he rightly points readers to his multi-volume series on the Book of Mormon Critical Text project for detailed explanations as to item-by-item decisions regarding recovery or conjecture of the critical text.</p>
<p>Skousen also explains his presentation of the critical text: sense lines, (mostly) modern spelling, <em>de novo</em> punctuation, blank lines to indicate paragraph breaks, and a typographic insertion to mark Joseph Smith&#8217;s original chapter indications. Modern (LDS 1981 edition) chapter and verse indications are given in the left margin.</p>
<p>Note that the punctuation, sense line breaks, and paragraph breaks are Skousen&#8217;s; the original manuscript had none, and the printer&#8217;s manuscript didn&#8217;t have much more. Skousen describes his process thus:</p>
<blockquote><p>As I prepared each section of <em>The Earliest Text</em>, I started with one long string of unpunctuated words. I first broke the text into sense-lines (described below); I then added the accidentals (punctuation and capitalization) as needed in order to make the syntax clear. (p. <em>xlii</em>)</p></blockquote>
<p>Skousen then spends several paragraphs outlining his approach to sense-lines and paragraphs. While most paragraphs comprise some number of modern verses, Skousen is willing to break across modern verse or even chapter divisions, though he only does so occasionally. I suspect that what criticism Skousen receives on this volume will come here, since he is in effect inserting himself to the text. On the other hand, I frankly think he&#8217;s done a better job than Orson Pratt did back in 1879, and as I got into the text itself, I found myself wishing for an edition that left out the modern chapter and verse numbers (though I could simply use a bookmark to cover up the left margin). And since even the printer&#8217;s manuscript was (in the words of the 1830 typesetter, John Gilbert) &#8220;one solid paragraph, without a punctuation mark, from beginning to end&#8221; (cited on p. <em>xlii</em>), I much prefer Skousen&#8217;s approach to wading through a single mass of undifferentiated and unpunctuated text.</p>
<p>And the text <em>is</em> wonderful. Layout and typography make it very easy to read, and the presentation brings a fresh look to a very familiar text. I&#8217;ve worked my way through most of the five &#8220;Textual Variants&#8221; volumes published by Skousen to date, so I&#8217;m not reading this to pick up on those modifications <em>per se</em> (though Skousen lists in an appendix what he considers to be significant textual changes). Instead, I am imagining myself in a small room as Joseph dictates and someone transcribes. It is a powerful experience, one which I&#8217;m about to go back to.</p>
<p>Highly recommended.  ..bruce..</p>
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		<title>Another reason I&#8217;m glad we&#8217;re not &#8220;Christian&#8221;</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Of course, by &#8220;Christian&#8221; I mean &#8220;Traditional Christianity&#8221;, which is the phrase often used by Evangelical and Catholic churches to define Christianity in such as was as to exclude the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.  And as far as I can tell, &#8220;Traditional Christianty&#8221; tends to start with the first Council of Nicea, [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course, by &#8220;Christian&#8221; I mean &#8220;Traditional Christianity&#8221;, which is the phrase often used by Evangelical and Catholic churches to define Christianity in such as was as to exclude the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints.  And as far as I can tell, &#8220;Traditional Christianty&#8221; tends to start with the first Council of Nicea, so as to avoid all those pesky beliefs and practices of early Christians which suspiciously resemble LDS beliefs and practices.</p>
<p>But I ramble. Here&#8217;s my latest reason why I&#8217;m glad we&#8217;re not &#8220;Traditional&#8221; Christians:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.smbc-comics.com/index.php?db=comics&amp;id=1177#comic"><img class="alignnone" src="http://www.smbc-comics.com/comics/20080514.gif" alt="" width="468" height="454" /></a></p>
<p>Let&#8217;s look at all the ways that this cartoon does <em>not </em>apply to LDS doctrine and beliefs:</p>
<p>First, we don&#8217;t believe that Earth is the only planet on which God has placed His children. Instead, we believe that He has created &#8220;<a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/moses/1/33#33">worlds without numbe</a>r&#8221; and that &#8220;<a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/76/24#24">the inhabitants thereof are begotten sons and daughters unto God</a>.&#8221; So God didn&#8217;t wait &#8220;14 billion years&#8221; for anything, but started populating planets long ago.</p>
<p>Second, <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/93/29#29">we were all around back then</a>, when this universe was being created. We knew <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/abr/3/22-28#22">why is was being created and what our role in it would be</a>.</p>
<p>Third, even on our specific planet, Earth, God didn&#8217;t wait until <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/gen/17/1-8#1">Abraham</a> or <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/ex/20/1-17#1">Moses</a> and then &#8220;tell some desert people how to behave.&#8221;  He started with <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/moses/5/4-12#4">Adam</a> and continued with <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/moses/7/10-12#10">Enoch</a>. Furthermore, we believe that <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/2_ne/29/9-11#9">God has spoken to various groups at various times throughout human history</a>, not just those recorded within the Bible.</p>
<p>And, of course, fourth, <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/130/22#22">God is not a glowing ball of light</a>.  <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/john/20/17#17">He is our Father</a> and <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/rom/8/16-17,21#16">we are His children</a>.  ..bruce..</p>
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		<title>&#8220;Could Pat Robertson Be Mormon?&#8221;</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[Paul Abrams over at the Huffingon Post has a snarky and somewhat ill-informed article in response to comments that Pat Robertston apparently made about heaven. To give you an idea of the silliness of Abrams&#8217; piece, here&#8217;s an excerpt (the bracketed, italized section is in the original and seems to suggest that Abrams didn&#8217;t exactly [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul Abrams over at the Huffingon Post has <a href="http://www.huffingtonpost.com/paul-abrams/could-pat-robertson-be-mo_b_184858.html">a snarky and somewhat ill-informed article</a> in response to comments that Pat Robertston apparently made about heaven. To give you an idea of the silliness of Abrams&#8217; piece, here&#8217;s an excerpt (the bracketed, italized section is in the original and seems to suggest that Abrams didn&#8217;t exactly quote Robertson accurately in the preceding sentence):</p>
<blockquote><p>Without hesitating a nanosecond, Robertson half-chuckled his answer, telling the viewer in no uncertain terms that if he thinks he is just going to spend eternity lying in a lounge-chair on a cloud, well, he&#8217;s got another thing coming. The Lord has a lot of work for him to do, he might give him (the viewer) a planet to manage, there are 200-300 million of them. <em>[Btw, this is not an exaggeration, Robertson actually talked about lounging on a cloud and millions of planets to manage, and lots of work the Lord has for him].</em></p>
<p>Robertson knows this (and all else) because, as you all know, once a year Robertson spends a day with the Lord. Now, I must admit that I have always found it curious that the Lord, who is the Lord of the entire universe, measures time-cycles by how long it takes for one of his stars, the sun, to orbit the Earth, oh, I mean the Earth to orbit the sun&#8211;sorry, I forgot that we have revised that certitude&#8211;but I am not surprised that the Lord created exactly one planet for every US citizen, so each of us knows that there is an eternity of work in Heaven (and, let&#8217;s face it, not all of you are going to get there, and some of you are illegal immigrants, and the Lord will be damned if those people are going to get a planet to manage!&#8211;although, Lord knows, they do work cheaply.). . . .</p>
<p>Come to think of it, God himself (or herself, or itself?) is not exactly doing a hot job of managing this planet, so how could lowly me, or even Heavenly me, be expected to do any better? We&#8217;ve got wars, piracy, diabetes, cancer, poverty, drug-resistant superbugs, John Boehner handing out tobacco-lobbying checks on the House floor, socialism and the prospect of Arnold Schwarzeneggar making another film when his time as Governor expires (can&#8217;t you get him a third term, or a US birth certificate&#8212;anything?).</p></blockquote>
<p>Illegal immigration? US citizens only? I&#8217;m not sure how Abrams made that leap, particularly given the fact that &#8212; whatever criticisms I have of Evangelical Christianity &#8212; they are most definitely a world faith and do vastly more humanitarian work in developing nations than Abrams and his ilk ever dreamed of attempting. Abrams then goes on to point out that &#8220;I always thought that it was the Mormons who received planets to manage in Heaven&#8221;, making Robertson a &#8220;closet Mormon.&#8221; Abrams then decides that this means that Robertson must be planning to support Romney in 2012, after having supported Giuliani in 2008.</p>
<p>I think that Abrams was trying to write a witty, satirical piece, but mostly he comes across as someone who is mostly interested in scoring cheap laughs by mocking others without learning enough to say anything really clever or actually applying any semblance of logic to his leaps.</p>
<p>In the interests of full disclosure, I&#8217;ll note that I actually appeared once on &#8220;The 700 Club&#8221; and was interviewed by Robertson. It had to do with Year 2000 issues (I had <a href="http://brucefwebster.com/presentationstestimony/">testified three times before Congress</a> on the matter and was working with Fannie Mae on its corporate-wide Y2K remediation efforts). That, of course, is not to be construed as an endorsement of or agreement with Robertson or &#8220;The 700 Club&#8221;, either their collective theology or their approach and operations, and I&#8217;m sure Robertson would feel the same about me. But at least in my experience he took the time to learn what he was talking about.  ..bruce..</p>
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		<title>The nine billion blessings on the food</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[A common discussion among Latter-day Saints (and among many other Christians as well as believers in other faiths) is the all-too-easy tendency for prayer to devolve into mechanical recitation as opposed to, well, talking with God. That&#8217;s why this website (hat tip to Futurismic) caught my attention: Information Age Prayer is a subscription service utilizing [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A common discussion among Latter-day Saints (and among many other Christians as well as believers in other faiths) is the all-too-easy tendency for prayer to devolve into mechanical recitation as opposed to, well, talking with God. That&#8217;s why <a href="http://www.informationageprayer.com/index.html">this website</a> (hat tip to <a href="http://futurismic.com/2009/03/23/outsourcing-prayer-as-a-hardware-routine/">Futurismic</a>) caught my attention:</p>
<blockquote><p>Information Age Prayer is a subscription service utilizing  						a computer with text-to-speech capability to incant your prayers each day.  						It gives you the satisfaction of knowing that your  						prayers will always be said even if you wake up late,  						or forget.</p>
<p>We use state of the art text to speech synthesizers  						to voice each prayer at a volume and speed equivalent to  						typical person praying. Each prayer is voiced  						individually, with the name of the subscriber displayed  						on screen.</p></blockquote>
<p>The website is well done, if a bit home-grown looking, and fairly complete. It let me go through the entire process of buying a one-time prayer and paying via Paypal (and, yes, I got the payment confirmation e-mail from Paypal), so it&#8217;s not (entirely) a joke. And for all I know, they may well have one or more computers set up with voice synthesizers.</p>
<p>Many of you will of course be reminded of Arthur C. Clarke&#8217;s famous short story, <a href="http://lucis.net/stuff/clarke/9billion_clarke.html">&#8220;The Nine Billion Names of God&#8221;</a>, though the stated intent here is merely petitionary prayers, not bringing about the end of creation. They have sections for specific religions: Protestant, Catholic, Jewish, Muslim, and Unaffiliated, with corresponding prayers and &#8220;special package deals&#8221; (no, really).</p>
<p>They don&#8217;t have &#8220;Mormon&#8221; or &#8220;Latter-day Saints&#8221; on the list of religions, and when I clicked on the &#8220;Other Religions&#8221; button, a page came up with this wonderful headline: &#8220;We apologize but other religions are not yet supported.&#8221; What is both funny and a bit sad is that I suspect most of us could come up with a standard template for LDS morning and evening prayers, as well as blessings on the food.</p>
<p>So here&#8217;s the questions/challenge for all of us: what distinguishes our prayers (personal and family) from those that could be set up and recited by a computer?  ..bruce..</p>
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		<title>LDS themes in Battlestar Galactica, Knowing, and Watchmen?</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[SPOILERS BELOW! YOU&#8217;VE BEEN WARNED! [NOTE: welcome to all the traffic from Twitter and from Roger Ebert's review of "Knowing"! I've expanded a few things below for clarification.] I&#8217;m going to discuss religious themes, particularly as related to LDS beliefs and themes, as found in the movies &#8220;Watchmen&#8221; and &#8220;Knowing&#8221;, as well as in the [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><strong>SPOILERS BELOW! YOU&#8217;VE BEEN WARNED!</strong></p>
<p><em>[NOTE: welcome to all the traffic from Twitter and from <a href="http://blogs.suntimes.com/ebert/2009/03/a_roll_of_whose_dice.html">Roger Ebert's review of "Knowing"</a>! I've expanded a few things below for clarification.]</em></p>
<p>I&#8217;m going to discuss religious themes, particularly as related to LDS beliefs and themes, as found in the movies &#8220;Watchmen&#8221; and &#8220;Knowing&#8221;, as well as in the finale of the TV series &#8220;Battlestar Galactica&#8221;. In doing so, I&#8217;ll freely discuss spoilers, at least in &#8220;Knowing&#8221; and BSG. You&#8217;ve been warned.</p>
<p>If you don&#8217;t want to read the spoilers, let me tell you that I strongly recommend the BSG finale (the whole series, really) and the movie &#8220;Knowing&#8221;. I haven&#8217;t seen &#8220;Watchmen&#8221; (though I&#8217;ve read the graphic novel several times over the years), but based on what I&#8217;ve read about the film, I don&#8217;t plan on seeing it.</p>
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<h3>Battlestar Galactica finale [Spoilers!]</h3>
<p>I was startled &#8212; pleasantly so, but still very surprised &#8212; that at the end, Battlestar Galactica very deliberately invoked God, angels, and divine intervention at the end, rather than coming up with some scientific explanation for the various strange going-ons during the last four years. Of course, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battlestar_Galactica_(1978_TV_series)">the original (1978) Battlestar Galactica series</a> (which was as wretched as this version was outstanding) was created by Glen Larson, an LDS producer who wove LDS keywords and themes into the series. That, in turn, inspired this entry in Orson Scott Card&#8217;s classic work, <strong>Saintspeak: A Mormon Dictionary</strong> (Orion Books, 1981):</p>
<blockquote><p><strong>Battlestar Galactica</strong> [<em>the original 1978 series, that is</em>] &#8212; In an effort to embarrass the Church, the devil caused Mormon terms like &#8220;eternal marriage&#8221; and &#8220;the Council of the Twelve&#8221; and &#8220;Kobol&#8221; (Kolob) to be presented in an uninspired, untalented, badly written television show. Thus, when missionaries tell investigators about the Council of the Twelve, the investigators are quite likely to giggle and say, &#8220;I&#8217;m sorry to laugh, but that just reminds me of the silliest sort of science fiction.&#8221;</p></blockquote>
<p>This updated version, running over the past four years, was much, much better &#8212; in my opinion, one of the finest drama on TV in recent years &#8212; even though it maintained at least a few of the references from the original series. Even so, I suspect there were a lot of BSG viewers last night who were <strong>very</strong> unhappy with the direct religious answers given in the final episode, particularly with Kara Thrace vanishing into thin air. [And they are: <a href="http://io9.com/5178522/as-battlestar-ends-god-is-in-the-details">see this review, plus the comments</a>. BSG series creator <a href="http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2009/03/battlestar-galactica-daybreak-finale-moore-mcdonnell-olmos.html">Ron Moore</a> says, "<span><span>I have more than accepted the fact that there will be people who will never quite get over [Thrace's vanishing].&#8221;</span></span>] But, frankly, it explains everything that has happened for the past four years better than any other answer.</p>
<p>And, interestingly, it steers things ever so quietly into LDS territory by the end. You have the idea of humanity existing independently on multiple worlds; of God using humans (often unknowingly) to carry out His designs; of what is in effect a &#8220;war in heaven&#8221; over whose plan will be followed; and of repeating patterns of wickedness, war, and destruction, with <a href="http://farms.byu.edu/publications/transcripts/?id=23">a small band of chosen people being led from the judged and doomed civilization to a new location</a>, a promised land where they can start fresh. I was particularly struck by the theme &#8212; not explicitly spelled out, but certainly implied &#8212; that Gaius Baltar and Caprica Six were unwitting agents of God&#8217;s judgment and destruction of the human colonies because they had reached yet another dead end.</p>
<p>Once the final set of DVDs comes out, I look forward to watching through the whole series with fresh eyes, knowing now where things are leading. In the meantime, <a href="http://blogs.discovermagazine.com/sciencenotfiction/2009/03/20/battlestar-galactica-watched-the-finale-still-got-questions-weve-got-answers/">here are some explanations from Ron Moore and others</a>. Again you&#8217;ll see from the comments there that a lot of people were angry with the religious aspects of the finale. <a href="http://featuresblogs.chicagotribune.com/entertainment_tv/2009/03/battlestar-galactica-daybreak-finale-moore-mcdonnell-olmos.html">And here are even more explanations from Ron Moore</a>.</p>
<p><strong>Knowing [Big, big spoilers!]<br />
</strong></p>
<p>This movie, starring Nic Cage as John Koestler (an MIT physics professor), just opened yesterday, and my wife and I saw it today. The basic premise is that 50 years ago, a young girl named Lucinda Embry is tormented by whispers that she constantly hears. She also sees this strange, silent man at a distance. When her elementary school class is chosen to draw pictures for a time capsule that will be buried for 50 years &#8212; an idea that she herself suggested &#8212; she instead fills both side of a large sheet of drawing paper with apparently random numbers. Fifty years later, the time capsule at the elementary school is opened, and Koestler&#8217;s son Caleb happens to get the young girls letter to open. He brings it home; Kosetler happens to look at it and notices the string 0911012996 &#8212; which he matches with the date 9/11/2009 and the 2996 killed in the attack at the World Trade Center. Further analysis shows that the date, number of people killed, and lat/long coordinates in a long string of disasters over the past 50 years. There are only three disasters left, all within the next week, and the last one has for the number of people what Koestler at first thinks is &#8220;33&#8243;.</p>
<p>In the meantime, his son Caleb starts hearing the same whispers as did Lucinda, and he begins seeing the same strange, silent men, one of whom gives Caleb a small black stone (more of these stones appear throughout the film, always in association with these men and the whispering voices). Koestler tries to track down Lucinda &#8212; who died years earlier &#8212; but instead meets up with Lucinda&#8217;s daughter, Diane Wayland, and grand-daughter, Abby Wayland, who is roughly Caleb&#8217;s age and who starts hearing the same whispers (and seeing the same strange men). During investigation with Diane at Lucinda&#8217;s abandoned trailer, Koestler realizes that the last two characters are not &#8220;33&#8243; but &#8220;EE&#8221; &#8212; meaning &#8220;Everyone Else&#8221;. In other words, the world is going to end in several days.</p>
<p>And it does. The Sun has a major flare-up, scouring the face of the entire earth, destroying all life on earth.</p>
<p>First, however, those strange, silent men save a number of &#8216;chosen people&#8217;. As they do so, they transform from human shape into beings that you could interpret as aliens or as angels; their spaceships are wheels within wheels as per <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/ezek/1/15-16,19-21#15">Ezekiel&#8217;s vision</a>. Among those saved are Caleb Koestler and Abby Wayland. They and the others are chosen by virtue of the fact that only they can hear the whisperings of the &#8216;angels&#8217;, as did Lucinda. Cage cannot, and so he is left behind to die, and we see the destruction of the whole Earth by fire as the Sun flares up.</p>
<p>At the end, Caleb and Abby are dropped off on an unspoiled, Edenic world. In the distance, we can see other &#8216;ships&#8217;, presumably dropping off other &#8216;chosen&#8217; people. Caleb and Abby go walking through an open meadow, filled with unearthly grass, and then they start running. As they do, the camera pans around until you see in the middle of this (dare I say spacious) field <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/1_ne/11/8#8">a large, beautiful white tree</a>. Fade to white and roll credits.</p>
<p>The lights came up, Sandra looked at me and said, &#8220;There&#8217;s gotta be a Mormon involved in this somewhere.&#8221; While the concept of the tree of life is in no way unique to Mormondom, I don&#8217;t believe it is a common <em>positive </em>(i.e., non-Fall-related) image or icon in most religions other than the LDS Church, particularly when represented as <a href="http://bookofmormononline.net/blog/vision-of-the-tree-of-life/">a large, white tree in the middle of an open field</a>. And then you have the small, dark stones, which immediately call to mind <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seer_stone_(Latter_Day_Saints)">Joseph Smith&#8217;s seer stones</a>. Another subplot involves John Koestler&#8217;s loss of (religious) faith after the death of his wife, and his struggle with the key phrase inscribed by his wife in a locket and used between Koestler and his son: <a href="http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&amp;q=%22together+forever%22+(%22Mormon%22+OR+%22Latter-day+Saint%22)&amp;btnG=Search">&#8220;Together Forever&#8221;</a>.  Koestler appears to regain his faith at the end, even as he embraces his parents and sister moments before they are all engulfed in the solar blast. And, of course, as with BSG you have the overarching theme (familiar to Book of Mormon readers) of <a href="http://farms.byu.edu/publications/transcripts/?id=23">a civilization destroyed, with a small &#8216;worthy&#8217; band miraculously transported to a new location</a>, a promised land where they can start fresh.</p>
<p>I thought the film was excellent, by the way. I kept expecting some of the usual Hollywood tropes and resolutions and was pleasantly surprised at how unflinching it was in moving to its conclusion.</p>
<p>[UPDATE: It's clear that Sandra and I weren't the only ones to wonder about these themes; this blog is getting a small but steady stream of Google search hits with searchwords such as "knowing movie mormon", "knowing 2009 mormonism", and "is the director of the movie knowing LDS?". ]</p>
<h3>Watchmen</h3>
<p>I haven&#8217;t seen the movie version of &#8220;Watchmen&#8221;. I won&#8217;t, either,  given the reports of quite graphic sex and violence, more graphic than in the graphic novel itself (which I&#8217;ve owned for years and have read several times). And I wouldn&#8217;t be mentioning it in this post at all, were it not for the article <a href="http://spectator.org/archives/2009/03/16/god-exists-and-hes-mormon">&#8220;God Exists, and He&#8217;s Mormon&#8221;</a> by Jeremy Lott over at the American Spectator website. I&#8217;m not particularly bothered or offended by this article. But as often happens with LDS doctrine, Lott knows a lot less than he thinks he does in making his comparisons between God as Latter-day Saints believe in Him and the character Dr. Manhattan in &#8220;Watchmen&#8221;. Some key points that Lott misses:</p>
<p><strong>God existed before and created this universe (i.e, this particular time-space continuum)</strong>. In fact, we all existed before this universe did; after all, we&#8217;re all eternal, and the universe is only about 13 billion years old, a mere blink of the eye. Something clearly existed before this universe; our belief in God does not have him as an uncreated Creator, bringing everything into existence <em>ex nihilo</em>. But Lott makes him sound like someone shuffling around materials lying around.</p>
<p><strong>God is indeed omniscient and omnipotent</strong>. Lott focuses one interpretation of God&#8217;s foreknowledge by Richard Hopkins which is by no means universally accepted within the Church. Lott doesn&#8217;t address omnipotence at all.</p>
<p><strong>God apparently served the same role as the Savior when He (the Father) was in mortality</strong>. Christ himself says, &#8220;The Son can do nothing of himself, but what he seeth the Father do.&#8221; (John 5:19); Joseph Smith explicitly interpreted this passage in that way in <a href="http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/King_Follett_Discourse#Power_of_the_Father_and_the_Son">the King Follett discourse</a>. Dr. Manhattan, by contrast, was a regular human (not a God incarnate) who was caught in a nuclear accident.</p>
<p><strong>God is utterly moral, righteous</strong>, <strong>and pure in lov</strong>e. Lott ignores the fact that Dr. Manhattan is pretty much amoral and self-absorbed, and struggles with the very concept of love.</p>
<p><strong>God is an unchanging God (in key ways)</strong>. This has been a debate in LDS doctrine pretty much since the days of Brigham Young: does God, now exalted, change in any meaningful sense, or is any &#8220;advancement&#8221; merely in glory and kingdoms (again as per <a href="http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/King_Follett_Discourse#The_Righteous_to_Dwell_in_Everlasting_Burnings">the King Follett discourse</a>)? In either case, a key to worshiping God is to have faith that He is &#8212; in all important respects &#8212; an unchanging God (cf. <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/morm/9/19#19">Mormon 9:19</a>, <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/moro/8/18#18">Moroni 8:18</a>, and <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/20/17#17">D&amp;C 20:17</a>).Dr. Manhattan is definitely not an unchanging being in any sense.</p>
<p>In all, some interesting themes.  ..bruce..</p>
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		<title>Future(s) of the LDS Church</title>
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		<description><![CDATA[The last two posts have dealt with the future (in America) of Evangelism in particular and Christianity in general. Ardis Parshall&#8217;s comments on the former post raise the question of the extent to which these same factors impact the LDS Church. I&#8217;d like to poke at that a bit, mostly to explore ways in which [...]]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The last two posts have dealt with the future (in America) of <a href="http://adventures-in-mormonism.com/2009/03/10/and-now-a-cautionary-lesson-from-the-evangelicals/">Evangelism in particular</a> and <a href="http://adventures-in-mormonism.com/2009/03/10/some-thoughts-from-a-catholic-as-well/">Christianity in general</a>. Ardis Parshall&#8217;s <a href="http://adventures-in-mormonism.com/2009/03/10/and-now-a-cautionary-lesson-from-the-evangelicals/#comment-293">comments on the former post</a> raise the question of the extent to which these same factors impact the LDS Church. I&#8217;d like to poke at that a bit, mostly to explore ways in which the future of the LDS Church might be different from what faithful members typically envision.</p>
<p>Let me start by addressing the standard bifurcation between those who believe the LDS Church is what it claims to be  &#8212; the Church of Jesus Christ, restored by God Himself, the &#8220;only true and living church&#8221; &#8212; and those who do not. Those in the latter camp can and do envision all sorts of futures for the LDS Church, and they do so quite reasonably, since their premise is that it is simply a man-made organization (or, in some Evangelical circles, <a href="http://www.jesus-is-savior.com/False%20Religions/Mormons/mormon.htm">the Church of Satan</a>) and so can suffer all the varied fates of any such organization.</p>
<p>For believing or faithful Latter-day Saints, however, the LDS Church is God&#8217;s kingdom restored to the earth, never to be taken from the earth again between now and the Second Coming of Christ. It is, in the words of Daniel&#8217;s vision <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/65/2#2">as echoed in the D&amp;C</a>, &#8220;the stone which is cut out of the mountain without hands shall roll forth, until it has filled the whole earth&#8221; (though that passage actually refers to the Gospel, not the Church, as that stone). As such, our vision of the Church&#8217;s future tends to be largely more of the same &#8212; more wards, more stakes, more missionaries, more missions, more members, and maybe even a few more scriptures &#8212; with a brief period of last-days catastrophes, during which we live off our food storage (you <em>do</em> have your food storage, don&#8217;t you?), have a much shorter meeting block, and generally encourage and help each other while the rest of the world goes to pieces. Somehow in all this, our homes and our chapels (especially our stake centers) will be <a href="http://scriptures.lds.org/en/dc/115/6#6">places of refuge</a> for ourselves and our nice non-LDS neighbors.</p>
<p>But what if that standard picture is wrong or misleading? What if the course of the Church between now and the coming of the Savior turns out be quite different from what we usually presume? We often cite the books of Helaman through 4th Nephi in the Book of Mormon as providing a type and shadow of events surrounding the Second Coming and the Millennium, but in so doing, we ignore the fact that the Church of God goes from being dominant in both Nephite and Lamanite regions to almost (but not quite) vanishing completely just prior to the great destruction that accompanies the Savior&#8217;s death. In fact, one of the first things the Savior does when He appears to the Lehites at Bountiful is to <a href="http://adventures-in-mormonism.com/2008/09/22/baptism-and-restoration-in-the-book-of-mormon-part-3/">re-establish the Church, reordain its leaders, and re-institute baptism, including for those existing leaders</a>.</p>
<p>Orson Scott Card played with some of these themes in his <strong><a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=WycRLdcQL1EC&amp;dq=%22Folk+of+the+Fringe%22+Orson+Scott+Card&amp;printsec=frontcover&amp;source=bl&amp;ots=nE6OPRbXsC&amp;sig=YgdDmZMXRYRxglViKnfg7SWISc8&amp;hl=en&amp;ei=lVO4Sc-XFpusMozF1eYP&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;resnum=2&amp;ct=result#PPA12,M1">Folk of the Fringe</a></strong> stories (all written in the 1980s), in which a limited nuclear exchange disrupts American (and American LDS) civilization. The stories are worth reading to see what Card does with this setting, particularly with what is in effect a rejection by God of the LDS Church in America.</p>
<p>Another favorite in this vein is a little short story called &#8220;Entry&#8221; by Stephen Scott, found in the book <strong>LDSF: Science Fiction by and for Mormons</strong> (Scott and Vickie Smith, eds., Millennial Productions, 1982). The story is only 3 pages long, and if I could contact either the author or the editors and get permission, I&#8217;d post the whole thing here. In brief, the story simply looks over the shoulder of the President of the Church at some future date as he is bringing his journal up to date for the week gone by. But in so doing, we learn about all the things that have changed in the Church (and in the world), such as:</p>
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<li>the calling of full-time bishops</li>
<li>a reference to &#8220;Apostle Kantor&#8217;s &#8216;mixed&#8217; marriage&#8221; (no further explanation is given)</li>
<li>the &#8220;new rulings on euthanasia&#8221;</li>
<li>the radical interpretation of the Word of Wisdom as part of the drive against world hunger</li>
<li>the death of the Prophet&#8217;s wives [yes, plural] in the California earthquake a few years ealier</li>
<li>taping his eulogy for Apostle Yoshimoto</li>
<li>site selections for new temples near Buenos Aires</li>
<li>his son serving a mission in Zimbabwe</li>
<li>his daughter attending BYU-Rome</li>
<li>the First Presidency meeting with the &#8220;Council of Twenty&#8221;</li>
<li>reference to six missions &#8220;behind the so-called Iron Curtain&#8221;</li>
<li>the new Church Headquarters, apparently located in Mexico (&#8220;across from the Hotel Baja&#8221;)</li>
<li>the reinstitution of the United Order in some areas</li>
<li>in giving a talk broadcast Church-wide, having to use translators &#8220;for those who did not speak Spanish&#8221;</li>
<li>opening of missions in Tibet, Madagascar, and Ceylon</li>
<li>a new hymn book</li>
<li>a four-hour private meeting with the Pope</li>
<li>a reference to &#8220;Apostle Hussein&#8221;</li>
</ul>
<p>Again, this was published in 1982, before there were missions in Russia, Zimbabwe, and Madagascar (we&#8217;re still waiting on Tibet and Ceylon), before there were temples in Buenos Aires (or even in Mexico, for that matter, though there was one in Sao Paolo, Brazil), or even a new hymn book. <img src='http://adventures-in-mormonism.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' />  What I like about the story is the constant yet understated (and largely unexplained) introduction of things that we might not expect in a future Church, yet things that could well happen.</p>
<p>For example, if the Church continues to grow significantly, I wouldn&#8217;t be at all surprised to see the Council of Twelve expand into the Council of Twenty; I suspect the Twelve are pretty much overwhelmed as it is now. Likewise, given the relative growth of the Church in Latin America vs. the US and Canada, it wouldn&#8217;t surprise me to see Church leadership and organization move south in another 30-50 years, possibly sooner in the event of some catastrophic upheaval (social, economic, political, or even physical) in the United States.</p>
<p>So what are your thoughts for possible futures of the Church?  ..bruce..</p>
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