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		<title>By: Apostolic Authority - Page 3 - Christian Forums</title>
		<link>http://adventures-in-mormonism.com/2007/05/06/mormons-education-and-intellect/comment-page-1/#comment-614</link>
		<dc:creator>Apostolic Authority - Page 3 - Christian Forums</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 14 May 2011 12:29:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] served as Chairman for the Council on Cardiovascular Surgery for the American Heart Association.  Mormons, education, and intellect &#124; Adventures in Mormonism         __________________ To view links or images in signatures your post count must be 10 or [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Adventures in Mormonism &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A people set apart: Mormons and Prop 8</title>
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		<dc:creator>Adventures in Mormonism &#187; Blog Archive &#187; A people set apart: Mormons and Prop 8</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 16 Nov 2008 22:44:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] about what a &#8220;PR disaster&#8221; the Church&#8217;s support for Prop 8 is.  Examine again the educational level and professional accomplishments of those who comprise the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve. Do you really think these [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] about what a &#8220;PR disaster&#8221; the Church&#8217;s support for Prop 8 is.  Examine again the educational level and professional accomplishments of those who comprise the First Presidency and the Quorum of the Twelve. Do you really think these [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Adventures in Mormonism &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Some observations on polygamy</title>
		<link>http://adventures-in-mormonism.com/2007/05/06/mormons-education-and-intellect/comment-page-1/#comment-21</link>
		<dc:creator>Adventures in Mormonism &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Some observations on polygamy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 03:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] for education and intellect, I&#8217;ll cheerfully put up the LDS Church&#8217;s record against any other religion . For every [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Mormon Mentality - Thoughts and Asides by Peculiar People &#187; Steering between Scylla and Charybdis</title>
		<link>http://adventures-in-mormonism.com/2007/05/06/mormons-education-and-intellect/comment-page-1/#comment-22</link>
		<dc:creator>Mormon Mentality - Thoughts and Asides by Peculiar People &#187; Steering between Scylla and Charybdis</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Apr 2008 00:42:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] 53,000 full-time missionaries around the world, has a tremendous focus (and great track record) on education, and has the resources and will to have provided nearly $1 billion in humanitarian aid and funds [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Adventures in Mormonism &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Imago Dei</title>
		<link>http://adventures-in-mormonism.com/2007/05/06/mormons-education-and-intellect/comment-page-1/#comment-20</link>
		<dc:creator>Adventures in Mormonism &#187; Blog Archive &#187; Imago Dei</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 14:54:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] about how US-based Latter-day Saints &#8212; unlike members of other major religious groups &#8212; tend to be more devout the higher their level of education. In other words, US Mormons with a college degree tend to be more active than those with just a [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] about how US-based Latter-day Saints &#8212; unlike members of other major religious groups &#8212; tend to be more devout the higher their level of education. In other words, US Mormons with a college degree tend to be more active than those with just a [...]</p>
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		<title>By: bfwebster</title>
		<link>http://adventures-in-mormonism.com/2007/05/06/mormons-education-and-intellect/comment-page-1/#comment-18</link>
		<dc:creator>bfwebster</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 May 2007 07:39:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The first part of your comment is a bit of a &lt;i&gt;non sequitur&lt;/i&gt;; Jewish emphasis on education has no real bearing on LDS emphasis on education, one way or the other. My post made no comparison with the intellectual achievements of members of other faiths; it merely noted that (a) US Mormons are better educated than the general US population, and (b) unlike other major faiths, Mormons tend to be &lt;i&gt;more&lt;/i&gt; faithful when they have had more education.

Your next statement would required some documentation; while I would frankly expect to find that &lt;a href=&quot;http://jbuff.com/c052302.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;Jews are overrepresented in the professions you cite&lt;/a&gt;, I would be surprised to find that they form &quot;the majority&quot; (i.e., &gt;50%) of those professions. Still, there is no question at all about profound Jewish overrepresentation in Nobel and Pulitzer Prizes.

Mormons are likewise overrepresented in certain fields (though, sadly, Nobel and Pulitzer Prizes are not among them). For example, according to the sources cited and conclusions reached &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.angelfire.com/az2/saintsci/&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;in this article&lt;/a&gt;, Utah has led the nation in per-capita production of scientists for 60 years. &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/daily/social_eom.htm&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;This posting&lt;/a&gt; likewise states that &quot;Latter-day Saints have more professionals and managers than Catholics or Protestants but fewer than Jews or &#039;others.&#039;&quot; And &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.multiculturalcanada.ca/ecp/content/mormons.html&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;again&lt;/a&gt;, &quot;By the 1990s Mormons in Canada tended to be overrepresented at the entrepreneurial, management, and professional levels and under-represented in unionized occupations and union leadership.&quot;

On the other hand, I don&#039;t believe I said anything about Mormons being &#039;high achievers&#039;, though you might check out the CEOs/CFOs in &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.amazon.com/Mormon-Way-Doing-Business-Leadership/dp/0446578592/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/103-0472984-6043049?ie=UTF8&amp;s=books&amp;qid=1179904155&amp;sr=1-1&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;The Mormon Way of Doing Business&lt;/a&gt;. Likewise, while I was living in the Washington DC area, I became personally acquainted with Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT), Sen. Robert Bennett (R-UT), Sen. Gordon Smith (R-OR), and Sen. Harry Reid (D-NV), as well as with Bill Marriott (CEO of Marriott International) and his son David.

Still, I suspect Mormons tend &lt;i&gt;not&lt;/i&gt; to be overachievers because of the strong emphasis on (and demands of) family and church; it was an LDS prophet, David O. McKay, who famously said &quot;No other success can compensate for failure in the home.&quot; A far more detailed look into why Latter-day Saints tend not to be professional &#039;high achievers&#039; can be found &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.dialoguejournal.com/excerpts/36-2a.asp&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;in this article&lt;/a&gt;.

Finally, while Jewish identity tends to derive from genealogy and culture -- that is, people tend to be born Jewish and consider themselves as such, regardless of their adherence to Jewish religious law and tradition -- Mormon identity tends to be self-selecting, either through conversion or persistent involvement in the LDS Church into adulthood. This means that the LDS Church tends to be more diverse -- racially, ethnically, and culturally -- than the Jewish population at large.

In other words, how would you know a Mormon if you saw one? ..bruce..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The first part of your comment is a bit of a <i>non sequitur</i>; Jewish emphasis on education has no real bearing on LDS emphasis on education, one way or the other. My post made no comparison with the intellectual achievements of members of other faiths; it merely noted that (a) US Mormons are better educated than the general US population, and (b) unlike other major faiths, Mormons tend to be <i>more</i> faithful when they have had more education.</p>
<p>Your next statement would required some documentation; while I would frankly expect to find that <a href="http://jbuff.com/c052302.htm" rel="nofollow">Jews are overrepresented in the professions you cite</a>, I would be surprised to find that they form &#8220;the majority&#8221; (i.e., >50%) of those professions. Still, there is no question at all about profound Jewish overrepresentation in Nobel and Pulitzer Prizes.</p>
<p>Mormons are likewise overrepresented in certain fields (though, sadly, Nobel and Pulitzer Prizes are not among them). For example, according to the sources cited and conclusions reached <a href="http://www.angelfire.com/az2/saintsci/" rel="nofollow">in this article</a>, Utah has led the nation in per-capita production of scientists for 60 years. <a href="http://www.lightplanet.com/mormons/daily/social_eom.htm" rel="nofollow">This posting</a> likewise states that &#8220;Latter-day Saints have more professionals and managers than Catholics or Protestants but fewer than Jews or &#8216;others.&#8217;&#8221; And <a href="http://www.multiculturalcanada.ca/ecp/content/mormons.html" rel="nofollow">again</a>, &#8220;By the 1990s Mormons in Canada tended to be overrepresented at the entrepreneurial, management, and professional levels and under-represented in unionized occupations and union leadership.&#8221;</p>
<p>On the other hand, I don&#8217;t believe I said anything about Mormons being &#8216;high achievers&#8217;, though you might check out the CEOs/CFOs in <a href="http://www.amazon.com/Mormon-Way-Doing-Business-Leadership/dp/0446578592/ref=pd_bbs_sr_1/103-0472984-6043049?ie=UTF8&#038;s=books&#038;qid=1179904155&#038;sr=1-1" rel="nofollow">The Mormon Way of Doing Business</a>. Likewise, while I was living in the Washington DC area, I became personally acquainted with Sen. Orrin Hatch (R-UT), Sen. Robert Bennett (R-UT), Sen. Gordon Smith (R-OR), and Sen. Harry Reid (D-NV), as well as with Bill Marriott (CEO of Marriott International) and his son David.</p>
<p>Still, I suspect Mormons tend <i>not</i> to be overachievers because of the strong emphasis on (and demands of) family and church; it was an LDS prophet, David O. McKay, who famously said &#8220;No other success can compensate for failure in the home.&#8221; A far more detailed look into why Latter-day Saints tend not to be professional &#8216;high achievers&#8217; can be found <a href="http://www.dialoguejournal.com/excerpts/36-2a.asp" rel="nofollow">in this article</a>.</p>
<p>Finally, while Jewish identity tends to derive from genealogy and culture &#8212; that is, people tend to be born Jewish and consider themselves as such, regardless of their adherence to Jewish religious law and tradition &#8212; Mormon identity tends to be self-selecting, either through conversion or persistent involvement in the LDS Church into adulthood. This means that the LDS Church tends to be more diverse &#8212; racially, ethnically, and culturally &#8212; than the Jewish population at large.</p>
<p>In other words, how would you know a Mormon if you saw one? ..bruce..</p>
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		<title>By: Humpbacks1962</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 18 May 2007 16:52:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Jewish religion is very strong on education. A very large number of professionals are jews. Doctors, scientists, dentists, lawyers, etc.
The majority of professionals aren&#039;t Mormons, but Jewish!! Often, in retirement, they become Rabbis.

The list of Jewish nobel prize laureates in biomedical, chemistry, physics, economics, and literature is immense! Where are the &quot;academic and professional credentialed&quot; Mormon high achievers hiding?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Jewish religion is very strong on education. A very large number of professionals are jews. Doctors, scientists, dentists, lawyers, etc.<br />
The majority of professionals aren&#8217;t Mormons, but Jewish!! Often, in retirement, they become Rabbis.</p>
<p>The list of Jewish nobel prize laureates in biomedical, chemistry, physics, economics, and literature is immense! Where are the &#8220;academic and professional credentialed&#8221; Mormon high achievers hiding?</p>
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		<title>By: PBS The Mormons--A Compendium &#171; Messenger and Advocate</title>
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		<pubDate>Sat, 12 May 2007 04:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] in Mormonism  Mormons, education, and intellect  LDS disciplinary councils (PBS show â€œThe Mormonsâ€)  The PBS Special: â€œThe [...]</description>
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		<title>By: University Update</title>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 07 May 2007 00:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
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